Fowler Homes
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Our 10 years old girl and her 5 best friends protest against Fowler Homes – Our job number is 2692.
Over a week ago (Sept 14) Fowler responded no mirror slider for our daughter ‘s WIR and no further action for our Niches next to Fireplace, our daughter and ourselves were so much disappointed. We feel we can’t stand anymore to wait for our turn to express our appreciation for Fowler for our dream house …The following is highlights of our difficult building journey with Fowler:
a) Our tender acceptance was Sept 2, 2010
b) We were patient to wait for 6 months (excluding 1 month Xmas break) for our building contract on Apr 1, 2011
c) We were more patience to wait other 2,5 month for Fowler to log on our application with the Council on Jun 10, 2011 and continued to wait another 4,5months to get our final development approval on Oct 21, 2011
d) We were much more patient to wait another 2.5 months (excluding 1 month Xmas break) to get our Construction Certificate on Feb 7, 2012
e) Since our site finally started on Feb 17, there was a number of hiccup particularly we suffered the loss of our beloved plant, unnecessary huge cost ($27,3k) for our underground water tank and long defect list on our frame inspection…However, we have never voiced our problem in the public forum and we still hope for our happy ending with Fowler …..
It was the first time I were into tears in the middle of re-tell the story of mirror slider and Niche basement to our SS (I was grateful for SS to organize our house jobs after 5pm on Friday, Sept 14) . On the next day, I have clearly recognized that the issue is NOT rarely happened but very much “matching” with all our over 2 years painful journey with Fowler so that I shouldn’t allow Fowler take our normal and happy life away anymore ….
But our 10 years old daughter took this issue on her way….She talked the issue to her school friends and her friends wrote the below letters and planned to ask their parents to drop them at our building site to protest against Fowler ….
Sorry we can't upload here document of kid protest letter
Those kid viewpoint on this 14th Sept, 2012 problem have alarmed us....because the issue directly involved with the love and lights of our life _ our 10 years old daughter and we need to hear our kid voice. It is not a dispute anymore, it is a justice. Yes, it is a justice for our next generation. Hence, we have the following summary which we will log on the complaint to the NSW Department of Fair Trading as we Fowler complete building our house and for this stage we put our story on the Product Review Page
1) Recently, we found a missing mirror slider for WIR (our daughter bedroom) and Niche basement next to Fireplace. I thought Fowler again forgot these 2 items and mentioned to SS to add these 2 items into our house. However, Fowler’s Operation Manager responded that we did not pay for these 2 items so that we won't get them.
2) I tried to scan all emails (on the tender stage) between me and the Sale Consultant in which I clearly requested to have those 2 items and then Sale Consultant clearly accepted to freely provide those 2 items which were included in our modified design.
3) Regarding the Niche basement next to the Fireplace as per Modena display home, I wrote request to the Sale Consultant, she wrote back the acceptance (See the attached files). All normal builders must send the approved construction plan to their clients before the site start, but we never have it!!! Therefore, we were unable to check if there is that Niche basement next to the Fireplace and our Fireplace dimension as per the Modena display home. Actually, Fowler have completely forgot that Niche and Fireplace.
Sorry we can't upload here photo of fireplace
and Niches at Modena display home
But what we have wanted to say through the photos is we requested exact fireplace and the niche frame on the both sides of the fireplace as per Modena display home. Fowler did provide Niche header but not Niche basement and said we did not pay for that Niche basement
4) However, Operation Manager said Fowler only added Fireplace for us as we paid $10 k for that and they provided the header of the Niches but not the basement as we didn’t pay for that which meant the Manager refused to act on the legal written acceptance by Fowler Sale Consultant and the Manager refuse to understand that Fowler forgetting providing /drawing that Niche basement (together with Fireplace) for us. In addition, it is so much ironical for having "head" without "leg" for such Niche. Is there some one WHO IS proud of their job can be able to provide such incomplete product? No further comment, isn't it?
Sorry we can't upload here document for the Sale
Consultant's acceptance email on our Niche request
5) Regarding mirror sliders, actually, there was free 3 mirror sliders included in our modified design. All 3 mirror sliders have the same indication on the plan so that I have only recognized at the time the Operation Manager said we could not get the mirror slider to WIR (our daughter bedroom) that there were only 2 mirror sliders (to our bedroom) which were noted in the variation.
6) The Manager initially said that mirror slider to our daughter bedroom was impossibly manufactured and even our Sale Consultant also re-confirmed in this regards! After we proved that the Sale Consultant memory was wrong by Fowler’s note that such kind of mirror slider has already manufactured for our bedroom. Then, the Manager said we still couldn’t get the mirror slider without paying ($300 for admission fee and $520 for supply and painting the door).
Sorry we can't upload here document for the Fowler
Variation Note and Sale Consultant's emails on our
Mirror slider (Bed 2) request
7) The Manager arguments over the 3 emails regarding these 2 issues are really “cheap” which should not be expressed at his managing level. He has tried to make his job supper convenience (for himself) by simply referred to the quotes and variation. Yes, we need to live by principle and comply the legal document. However, written acceptance by Sale Consultant and display homes description are of equally legal value. His business judgement should not be different from the written commitment and display home description by Fowler Homes' Sale Consultant. $ 820 ($300 for admission fee and $520 for supply and painting the door) is not small money but this amount of money won’t make us poorer. We are happy to pay such amount of money if necessary. Certainly, that amount of money won’t make much more profit for Fowler.
8) The issue is why we have been provided 2 mirror sliders in our bedroom but there is none mirror slider in our daughter bedroom ? why we need to pay that money to get the mirror slider included in our tender? why we couldn't get the Niche basement that Fowler has accepted?
Yes, we live and we learn. And we live for our life and raise our kids by what we have believed in are legal document, principle, commitment and trust. We should reserve judgment until the whole process is over, but at the moment it is unlikely that I would recommend Fowler to anybody else. Floor plan is flexible and funtionable a lack of direction between internal departments has made the lengthy, difficult and messy situation in each stage including tender, drawings, building contract, estimator, head office and construction
Shame - we dont write responses to ignorant remarks and childish beahour. Shame how about you contact our office 9757 2300 and organise a meeting with our senior management team and show your face, in a face to face meeting so we can address any issues you may have. its easy to hide behind a faceless remark. I urge you to contact us and i will make sure our management are available to meet with you use the refrence Shame so we know who you are. I am sure you have the time as you have posted coments on every review so put the effort into coming to see us!!
Kiko - In response to you obserd remarks above "your 10 year old daughter being subject to a protest against Fowler with her friends" - firstly we will not be further responding to this as it is border line child abuse who in their right mind would write these comments and support their 10 YEAR OLD INNOCENT daughter to protesting??? we are talking about a child a child who is not legally allowed to vote or understand what a protest is - People reading these comments can now understand what type of person we are dealing with here because who would allow there child to protest - We were shocked at reading this!! We will not comment any further as it is clear we cannot come to a resolution with you. Kiko please remember you checked your plans for over 4 months we did over 20 revisions and you marked every niche, nook and dimension so i think you missed the above items not Fowler.
We will not be responding to any further comments from these two people - Potential Clients you can see above who Fowler Homes are dealing with and the type of characters we are dealing with! Fowler Homes are commited to customer service and giving our clients a wonderful home which is of prestige quality and finishes and this shows throughout our homes and reputation in the industry. This wee in a HIA media release Fowler Homes was published as the 14th larget builder in NSW thats a great acheivement in a time when the economy is not doing so well we have had a rapid growth and that is thanks to our wonderful staff, clients, contractors and suppliers we have a great team and great homes! thank you to all of you.
To Fowler Home Respondent, Please note: 1) We are one of the 2 reviewer here showing clearly our job number which mean we open our identity with Fowler Homes . You should be smarter to realize this instead of advising how we should go face to face with the Fowler Homes Office
2) You also need to educate yourself more about our case before advising us that we should call the Fowler Homes Office to make an appointment. You should know that:
# Before putting our review here on Sept 24, we had written this contents emailing on Sept 24 to the Construction Manager RC, Operation Manager RM, Office Manager JV, our Sale Consultant HO and the Site Supervisor. Do you want us to specify their names?
# Before sending that Sept 24 Email to Construction Manager RC, Operation Manager RM, Office Manager JV, our Sale Consultant HO and the Site Supervisor, we had series of 6 emails and 3 phone call from Sept 10-14 discussing about the issue and we were finally advised (Sept 14) there was no resolution for the issues
# Right after the final email from the Operation Manager on Sept 14 in this regard, we have advised on Sept 14 the Construction Manager RC, Operation Manager RM, Office Manager JV, our Sale Consultant HO and the Site Supervisor that we will log our complaint in the NSW Department of Fair Trading to seek for the resolution
3) As you did admit that Fowler Homes provide none resolution for our issue , we just wonder why you still advise us to make an appointment for nothing ?
4) Do you have kids? Do you know that kids can’t be tell the untruth? So, we hope you are more careful to use the terms of “kid abuse”. You are right kids don’t have a right to vote for election but they have a plenty rights to ask the questions and voice their idea……
5) Thank for your honesty to say you are shocking to read our story about 10 year old girl and her friends ….We are sure not only you but all readers including the NSW Department of Fair Trading, the Councillors of the Ku-rin-gai Council and our family members who are lawyers and the parents of our daughters friends who are also lawyers have been very interested in reading the letters which I can't upload here but I also attached on our Sept 24 email to the Fowler management.
6) Regarding our referred to the so-called 20 revisions, please do more home work to know how many percentage of our revisions came from Fowler own mistakes and missing items. We will provide all written evidence that over 50% of revisions came from Fowler side to the NSW Department of Fair Trading to request their investigation. You know very well how these concerned people at Fowler Homes were impotent.
Kikichan sorry you misunderstood us the meeting we were referring to was for shame. You are correct we already have your items of discussion and we don't require a meeting. In regards to your daughter yes I have kids abs that's what disturbed me because I would never let them be exposed to protesting maybe pore choice of words. Fair trading is a great way to go as its an independent body who inspects and provides an outcome when mediation is required so we will await their response. I'm sure you will love your home once you move in very shortly. Be advised Kikichans home is customized and a large impressive design which does take extra time to build due to the size and detail and it will look amazing. Building is not easy and one of the most stressful times in our lives as it is the dream and the moment where you save to achieve this milestone and wonderful home for your family to enjoy and we understand that but people do get emotional and angry but at the end is when it counts as houses arnt made in factories they are onsite by people and yes there will be mistakes but they will be rectified. We take pride in our houses and despite what you think our customers are the first priority for fowler. Remember in the world there are 100s of millions of different personalities and we cannot make everyone happy all the time although we try. Again I'm sure you home will be beautiful.
This morning, I received the following email from Fowler Homes' Workplace Health & Safety Manager: +++++++++++++++++++++ "Hi K....(which is again my wrong name! ) Please find attached photographs taken by you, it is evident these photographs were taken within the boundary of Fowler Homes Construction site
You must not enter site without Fowler Homes Representative, as per prior warnings On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 1:38 PM, visitor/client induction on site at 1:30pm on 4/10/12 (attached) and several verbal warnings from Marco Morganti, Fowler Homes Supervisor.
Due to breach of Fowler Homes safety policy works on site are now suspended until further notice" ++++++++++++++++++++++
I have responded the following:
************************************* "Dear
We demand apology from you. I ensure you that the photos have been taken from the outside of the site.
Your highly unprofessional attitude is unacceptable and illegal. It is very outrageous that Fowler Homes hires you to offend its customers in that way. It is very outrageous that the Site Supervisor is justifying his work defects in that way.
We will have a meeting with the Fowler Homes Construction Manager this Friday and we will protest all these unprofessional attitudes.
Sincerely," **************************************
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Dear Fowler Homes We wish to report the latest laughable update with our build. The Site Supervisor wrote emails 2 times (together with verbal talk at least 2 times) to confirm our PCI date on Oct 4 and we made an appointment with the independent building inspector at 11am on 4th Oct.
On 1st Oct, we wrote him email expressing our concern with a long list of outstanding jobs and none movement on our site over the past 3 days. Site Supervisor wrote back: "I completely got my dates mixed up and apologies for canceling the PCI and will push to get the works ready and will advise to re schedule PCI". On 4th Oct, Site Supervisor further explained that he just mixed up ONLY ONE MONTH, that our PCI date would be a month later which would be on 4th November.
Lady and Gentlemen, can you all advise me if there is a mental issue with this Site Supervisor? Is it outrageous? Where is you guys honor any way?
Furthermore, Site Supervisor re-scheduled our PCI on the week of Oct 15-20. That is another joke as we have patiently repeated his calculation for our PCI date based on our contracted building period for 200 days starting on Feb 17. However, he has never responded as he believes he is allowed to complete our job on his own convenient time. Is he competent to a simple calculation?
In accordance with our building contract, our PCI is 11th Oct, 2012 and if this Site Supervisor can't make our house ready, we will seek a liquidation damages at $50/day.